Friday, March 14, 2008

Don't Ask, Don't Tell?

Une femme grew up in an era when Manners still mattered, and having them was a baseline indicator that one wasn't raised by wolves. I'm not talking about your finger-bowl, lobster-fork, cotillion-dance-card manners, but the everyday kind: the please-and-thank-you, holding-the-door, not-staring-at-the-wooden-leg manners. And the kind of manners that advised against openly discussing topics like potentially embarrassing medical conditions, relatives in sanitariums and personal finances with people to whom you aren't closely related, and even with some you are. I learned at a young age that it was considered rude to ask how much money someone made or how much their dress cost.


So it still generally makes me quite uncomfortable when someone with whom I don't share a joint checking account asks me how much I paid for something. I've been asked how much my bags/shoes/clothes cost by a range of people from family and friends, to folks who work in my office that I don't know past saying hello in the elevator, to total strangers. (Though I don't mind in situations where the question about price relates to a shared interest or hobby, or in the context of this blog or some of the online communities I participate in, as there's some degree of anonymity.) I generally hem and haw and give a vague "oh, bigger than a breadbox" kind of answer, and end up feeling guilty like I'm the one who's being rude. I'm not above bragging about getting a good deal occasionally, but for the most part, I prefer to play my financial cards close to the vest.

Am I just a throwback in these Oprah-fied let-it-all-hang-out times? Or have people really become ruder and more inappropriate? How do you handle those invasive questions from Nosy Nanette's who feel seem to feel the need to keep a running appraisal of your closet?

18 comments:

  1. I agree. I usually go for the evasive answer, and if it can be at all witty, so much the better. There's the classic "I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you," delivered with a big "warm" smile or "Well, I told my husband I got it on sale for $200" delivered with smile and wink. Some people don't take the hint, and then I try to stick to the broken record technique with the smile becoming pointedly less sincere. If really pushed, there's a point where I'll say something like, "Sorry. Call me old-fashioned, but I was raised to think it's rude to discuss personal finances outside of family" and then smile (again, the cheeks are really aching by now). You're not directly calling the inquisitor rude (because you're also guarding against your wild impulse to disclose, right? I know, not really, but . . . ) but if she doesn't stop now, she's assuming that label and you're justified in ending the conversation.

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  2. Yeah, but, there's a certain kind of clothes shopping conversation that goes like this:

    "I love that!"
    "Thanks!"
    "Where'd you get it?!"
    "At XXX...and it was on sale!!"

    If I'm the complimenter, I almost never take the next step. But if I'm the complimentee, and I leave the door open with the sale comment, then it's almost fair game.

    I don't know. It depends, like anything. I have a girlfriend with whom I share Zappos listings, so we know what each other are spending. But then, we've also known each other since high school.

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  3. dana- to me you and your friend sharing Zappos listing falls under the heading of "shared interests" and in that case wouldn't bother me so much. I have a friend who's also really into handbags and I don't mind discussing prices with her, because I know where she's coming from. I'm talking more about the "wow, how much was THAT purse??" kind of questions from some people. You know they aren't interested in buying one for themselves; it's almost like they're gathering fodder for gossip or something.

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  4. "that's for me to know and you never to find out" is a sure way to loose friends and alienate the family! hence my lack of friends.
    You are right though, it's really bad manners, money should be a complete no no unless its very close family and even then it pays to be careful with my sisters.

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  5. Yep, I too have certain friends with whom I share price information, but as you said, we're friends and share a common interest. Then there are the nosy ones. I used to have an assistant who used to ask "is that new" every time I came into the office wearing something she hadn't seen before. Then she'd follow with the specifics of when, where, how much, etc. Ugghh. I think she was trying to be friendly but I found it rude. I got more and more evasive but she never took the hint. In such cases, a pause, a look, and a comment like "why do you need to know?" could be appropriate.

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  6. Another hallmark of manners is being gracious, even if your inquirer isn't, and not reciprocating with like behaviour. So while I would like to say, "That's none of your business", I've used these lines:
    -"It was a gift" (the absolute best, especially for jewelry!)
    -"I don't even tell my husband (partner, cat, whoever) that!" (Usually gets a laugh) or "Would you believe $35? No? I guess he won't either."
    - "That's between me and my god."
    - Or as Miss Manners suggests: smile and say, "Goodness! Why would you want to know THAT?"

    All of these responses must be delivered lightly, with grace- as if you're fluffing a bit of lint off- not with a glare.

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  7. All excellent responses. I must commit them to memory and practice them diligently. These kinds of questions always catch me off guard. BTW.....just love the site.

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  8. Great post. I'm always flabbergasted when someone asks me how much something cost (unless it's a friend and it's a kind of "ooh, I'd like to get one" question...and even then I don't give exact numbers). But when strangers/work colleagues ask I find it very inappropriate. I usually just say that I was brought up not to discuss money (which is the truth).

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  9. Because I am such a bargain basement shopper, when I get a compliment I usually broadcast the price I paid (it was only 20 bucks!) and then I am immediately embarrassed because it (hopefully) looks like I paid a lot more. I will try to be more cheshire cat-like in the future. By the way, I never ask where someone got something or how much it cost. If I like their look, I find my own way to pull it off.

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  10. I really have no issue telling how much I've spent on something. Sometimes people ask, sometimes I happily volunteer the info. And I'm pretty comfortable asking also - I don't find the people I quiz in any way shy to share those details. I think that most of the people i know would give a similar story. K

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  11. Sometimes I volunteer the info when complimented on an item because I'm very proud of my bargain hunting skills.

    I have asked friends how much they paid for something, but that was after I complimented them on something and they told me where to buy it (and usually with them telling me what a great discount they got).

    I can see how it would be different, though, if the conversation was about expensive or even just full-price items, or if it was among strangers. A lot of that sort of prying is crossing the line, especially when it seems like they just want to figure out if a bag is real or not, or how much someone makes.

    In that case, I'd probably say, "I don't remember."

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  12. Ugh. I hate that question and agree, it's not something one discusses with anyone. I had a job once where we had to wear suits, etc. (consulting) and we were expected to keep up a certain image. One day a women from another part of the company asked, loudly, at lunch, "DO YOU SPEND ALL YOUR EXTRA INCOME ON CLOTHES?" in a truly nasty tone. I was dumbfounded. I was raised to never talk about finances outside the home, and sometimes not even in there. (I was 24, right out of grad school and my wardrobe was mostly inherited from Mom, or bought (a few items) from her or my grandmothers. I just said "no" and tried to keep out of her path after that.

    I am guilty, of sometimes asking people where they shop, because I'm from Canada, where I never spent much at all, and have moved to Long Island where it seems no price is too much. Sadly, my husband doesn't seem to think I should be shopping at Bergdorf's in the city (and neither do I, as the house and college are our priorities) so I'm always looking for the right store for price and quality.

    And if I do where something nice, believe me, out here, everyone knows who made it and how much it cost. "Oh, is that the Manolo shoe from two seasons ago? The vamp was 3 centimeters lower that year." That knowledge usually has me dumbfounded...who has the time to know all these details? Do they measure year to year?

    Love your blog!

    A fellow redhead,

    Chrstine

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  13. I hate it when people ask me that question. I even had someone ask me what I paid for my car once! Floored me.

    My standard response is, "oh sorry, I don't remember I got it a while back." Of course that wouldn't work if it's a style that is brand new and the person knows it.

    I might say something like, "it's a XXX (brand) you might look it up online and see what kind of deals are out there if it's still available."

    It's completely rude and if it's a person who is a "friend" but not a close friend - I feel like you, as if I've been the rude one instead of them.

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  14. I'm with you, Pseu. I'm always surprised when people ask me how much I've paid for something. On the flip side, I have one co-worker who volunteers the info even when no one asks: if you compliment her skirt, she'll tell you the price before she thanks you for the compliment!

    Generally speaking, I feign amnesia: "Oh this? I can't remember!" Usually works.

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  15. Dejapseu: This is a great post and by all accounts, a peeve of fairly wide appeal. I learnt how to dodge such questions from a psychologist friend who said, smile and say 'Ooh, why on earth would you want to know that?'. Now I say and you should watch some of the faces!

    There is a flip side too. When people assume things and say insulting stuff meant to provoke you. In such cases, I am helped by my quick (and acerbic) wit which has been sharpened by regular practice.

    A friend of nearly 15 years recently said to me that she thinks her entire wardrobe costs the same as one pair of my shoes. I did not rise to the bait and said, 'I know. It shows!'. Silence at the other end of the phone ensued. :-) We are still on talking terms of course.

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  16. A friend of nearly 15 years recently said to me that she thinks her entire wardrobe costs the same as one pair of my shoes. I did not rise to the bait and said, 'I know. It shows!

    For some reason this comment made me feel sad for your friend :(

    I don't quite get why this was perceived as "bait". Perhaps the two of you just have different priorities in life? If you are both financially responsible and solvent what difference does it make how much you spend on a shoe vs her entire closet?

    I have a relative who calls me "Miss Gucci" (ouch, not true :) but I have to remind myself that not everyone is interested in fashion/style the way I am. That's okay, really.

    I have found that if I am defensive (as in MYOB) about items and/or cost, I usually need to take a closer look at my spending choices.

    I was thinking this is a little OT but maybe it really isn't...shopping addicts routinely hide purchases and cost from everyone in their lives..I could imagine it would be annoying to be asked purchase price in that case even by a friend. I think I have a tendency to shop more than I should at times but I don't mind the question generally. Ooops, I have balked when I'm on a tear to get a certain something in multiples. That's my weakness...same item, different colors. I'd much rather be asked how much I paid than how many I have :) :) :)

    I was raised also not to discuss money but back then it was more in regards to earning power. I'm thinking it was understood that when someone bought something new they paid cash.

    Today with plastic and home equity lines, it's painless (?) easier to buy costly items in quantity so maybe it's more prevalent for people to ask the cost? I've never asked price myself...that's what Google is for :)

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  17. Anonymous:

    I am sorry you feel sad for my friend because that is the last thing one should feel for her :-)

    Her wardrobe is about 10-12 times the size of mine. She buys something small or major every week, spending between £25-100 ($50-200) whereas I shop once in 7-8 years, although I have a dress maker who makes sure my clothes fit my changing body shape etc. But she does have the habit of taking pot-shots at my shoes - arguably a visible and perhaps the most make-or-break part of one's attire. Amongst her curiosities is why I spend money on shoes (yes, I am guilty of buying only specific brands where I now know my size and their material, quality and longevity very well). Amongst my curiosities is how on earth can she find something to buy *every week*. The difference is that she articulates hers and I do not (mainly because I would then open the flood gates to all sorts of questions). This difference is why her comment is a 'bait' which I refuse to take. But yes, I was mean in this instance. :-/

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  18. "How much did you pay for that?"

    Possible answers:

    "As much as I possibly could!"

    "I'm not sure what it cost. You'll have to ask your husband."

    "Oh, I got the Winona rate!"

    "I'm sorry, did you just say that you're a bitch? Because that is exactly what I heard!"

    Hmm...this might make a good Fabulon post!

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